Jake and Clay get honest about the lean years and how they managed them. Jake says he was never broke because he always had roping schools running on the side, keeping money coming in during the dry spells. Clay took a different route, borrowing money from his grandma once and paying her back right after the finals. They also talk about the good parts of life on the road, their favorite places to eat and how they ate well. Clay had classic rock playing on every night drive while Jake rode in silence, more of a deep thinker than a music listener.