In this candid discussion, Jake Barnes and Clay O’Brien Cooper tackle one of team roping’s most talked-about topics—the crossfire rule. From how it’s judged to how much the sport has evolved, they share honest thoughts on what they see happening in today’s arena.

Jake and Clay reflect on watching modern runs and how the rule seems to have shifted compared to the days when steers had to “hit and jump forward.” They point out how many runs now look like crossfires in slow motion, even when they appear clean in real time. Clay discusses his own experience, recalling times they’ve been flagged out—and others when they’ve seen inconsistent calls.

They also talk about the record-setting runs, the ever-rising standard of competition, and why having replay for judges could make a big difference in fairness and accuracy.

Part of the Barnes & Cooper: Inside the Practice Pen series, this episode offers two legends’ perspective on how the sport has changed, what consistency in judging means for ropers, and why they still love pushing the limits of the game.